CONNECTING WITH YOUR INNER ENERGIES: MOVING FROM DISCONNECTION TO CONNECTION A JOURNEY w ENERGY HEALER MICHAELA HORNAKOVA

Ever felt like you're living in a state of disconnection, detached from your own body, intuition, and inner energies? Well, you're not alone. We were joined by the amazing Michaela Hornakova, an energy healer and mentor, who shared her transformative journey towards balancing her goddess and warrior energies. Her insights led us to explore the depths of disconnection many of us unknowingly experience.

Michaela helped us unpack how each person stores energy differently. She guided us through recognising and tapping into our unique energy, as well as the goddess and warrior energies within us. These energies, as we discovered, can be a powerful tool for making decisions, navigating life, and manifesting abundance. We also discussed the importance of challenging societal expectations and making bold decisions that resonate with us.

As we delved deeper into the conversation, we discussed how to step outside our comfort zone and embrace discomfort for personal growth. We explored ways to overcome insecurities and step into confidence and sexiness. By the end of the episode, we had a greater understanding of how to tap into our spiritual power, reclaim joy, and release expectations. So, join us, as we embark on this conversation with Michaela Hornakova. It's time to reconnect and live our best lives.

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 1:25

Hello and welcome back to Empower Thyself podcast. I'm your host, Hannah Garner. Thank you for being here. If you're new, don't forget to subscribe so that you don't miss future episodes and definitely go back and check out all of the amazing episodes that already exist, and if you're a regular listener here. Thank you so much.

Speaker 1: 1:43

Now, before we dive in and I let you know all about this episode, I just wanted to add a caveat that, due to the lovely weather we are getting in the UK, which I am not complaining about one bit my flat is like a boiler and so I do have to have windows open. Today I normally don't and, being based in London, there are a lot of sirens and planes and things in the background, so I'm hoping it won't interrupt the recording too much, but I just want you to let you know that if you hear it, it is what it is, because I am. I can't sit for an hour with no air in my house at the moment. So, without further ado, today's episode I am going to be looking at moving from disconnection to connection, but we're going to travel so much deeper than that. The conversation is going to flow in ways that I don't know yet. We don't know yet with my guests, and it's all about stepping into how you can live your best life.

Speaker 1: 2:42

Now I know that people might be like resonating with words, disconnect and connect. Other people will not necessarily. They might be like what do you mean? And I think so many of us often live in disconnection, without even realizing it, from our bodies, from our intuition, from kind of all of these things that are going on inside us. We can be disconnected without even realizing. So hopefully the discussion today will help you kind of tap into okay, how can I move from that into something that is going to allow you to really step into your power? And today I'm joined by my lovely guest, Michaela Hornak, and she's an energy healer and a mentor for those who are ready to step forward boldly to live their dream life. So thank you for joining me today, Thank you for having me Amazing. So I think a great place to start is just to give people a background about you who you are, what you do, how you got to where you are now.

Speaker 2: 3:38

Okay, so my name is Michaela or Misha, whatever people, whatever people prefer. I am an energy healer and a mentor. I help women and men to balance their goddess and warrior energy, or, as we know, it's the feminine and masculine energy. But I think that means like too much the 3D world world I like to use the goddess, because that brings the fire and you know, and the warrior, so it's like the beautiful energy, but we are so often disconnected from it. The way I know it because I've been there, I was so disconnected that I mean Antarctica is not cold enough.

Speaker 2: 4:15

How disconnected I was. And until certain events happen in my life, like losing my mom, you know, two weeks before Christmas, being 17, and then throw it to the world. Like look after yourself and everything and finish in college and then work, and then you know, moving boldly to the UK from Slovakia without any English at all. That taught you a few lessons of how connected or disconnected you are. I know I was connected within myself but disconnected from those two energies that are so key for living the fulfillment life. So I had my biggest awakening and now I'm living the dream life of you know, doing what I love. So it's not work.

Speaker 2: 4:59

My story is so big that is not going to fit in these podcasts, but because the theme is connection, this connection I was so disconnected from my God's energy so I was so in masculine, so doing, doing, doing, doing. I caused me lots of health problems, lots of struggle in life, like at work, with the friends or with the family. Then I went the other side. I was so connected to my feminine energy through God's energy that I was like laid back. I was like, oh, everything is happening and you know, it's kind of like it was too much, until I find the balance and that's what I do, and help women and men to find the balance between the Goddess and warrior energies.

Speaker 1: 5:39

Yeah, I love that and I think it's so important and it's a topic that, as you say, comes up regularly and people will, you know, connect to it in different ways. Like you say, with the 3D the masculine, the feminine energy. If you're more spiritual, that might be something different, but ultimately those energies exist inside all of us. It's not a oh. For a man, you have to have masculine energy, for a woman, you have to have feminine energy. Obviously there's going to be different balances amongst people, but I definitely think, in the society that we've been brought up in and how it has been historically, even the women are leaning more in the masculine energy, unless they're taught otherwise, and that myself included, because it's very much a doing, being, productive kind of society.

Speaker 1: 6:22

And it's funny that this conversation has come up actually right in this moment because, as I'm moving to my 30th birthday this year, I really am trying to step more into that feminine energy. I have moments of it, but because it's so deeply ingrained in me to do, do, do rather than just being, and also like tapping into more softness, more receiving, like unlearning that after 30 years is really hard. So I would really love for you to share kind of what that journey looked like for you and how you know people listening to this. I know there's probably a lot of women listening to this thinking yeah, that's me. I struggle with this too. How do we, where do we start with this? How do we start tapping into getting more of a balance of either energies?

Speaker 2: 7:04

Hannah, it's not only you, it's so many women. We were told you have to do things or you have to do. You have to cook, you have to look after the family, you have to do eggs. Why? And said you have to do, and that is the key you have to do it. Nobody is asking how do you feel to do this?

Speaker 1: 7:22

Does it?

Speaker 2: 7:23

resonate with you or does it not? And when I have a client and doesn't matter if it's a woman or a man, then both were told like you have to do this because you are a woman or because you are a man. You know, men don't cry. Why you cry? When you were like a little boy or like, oh no, you need to be a little pretty, don't get dirty, don't climb. You know it's always. You have to do things and the have to do is the key, because we were told you have to do this or you don't have, you don't do. This is the word. Do you do or you don't? There was a set path. Nobody asked you would you like to try it? Would you like to do it? What would you like to do? That it resonated with you? Well, not really Okay. So what do you want to do? I want to climb the trees, to go and climb the tree.

Speaker 2: 8:07

Do you do? You? There was nothing, you know. I mean you were brought up in England. You know, I was brought up in Slovakia. When I was born it was still communism and it was like one way. There was no like you can do these or that, you know, it was like you have to do this and that was it. There was nothing, nothing between you. Know, you are a woman, this is what is expected from you and there was already expectation, already with the before. Even I knew what expectation is. And then I started to have the expectation, didn't realize I was having those expectations on others yeah, I was told I have to do this. So why Susie next door doesn't have to do it? Apologize for any names. I have few favorites.

Speaker 2: 8:50

If I don't mean any person, I'll be like as I was growing up and things were happening in my life when I lost my mom. I was 17,.

Speaker 2: 8:59

two weeks before Christmas what the fuck Like I was up in the morning and there was just me and the cat and I was like, what the fuck am I going to do with my life? Yeah, and I was. I was completely lost. I mean lost lost, yeah, nothing like I didn't know to go left, right straight back, there was nothing. There was one thing I realized I have, that was my energy. This is the key. That was my energy. Yeah, that I know I can change. There was the only thing on that day the 24th of December 2000, that I knew I can change. Yeah, and that was the first day in my life that I can recall as going far back where I did me, at least for the morning time. Yeah, I fancy it's a cup of coffee. Go to the graveyard to be with my mom.

Speaker 2: 9:52

In Slovakia, winter is very, very cold, yeah, cold and snowy and really like cold. But I sat in there and I had my coffee that time, I was smoking and my cigarette and I had a chat with my mom. It was the first time that I can say I tap into my energy, not the goddess or the warrior energy, but my own energy. They realized I can do this. Okay, this is something new I need to get. And this is the was the star that I realizing this new feeling inside me and that didn't have a name. Yeah, it wasn't laugh, it wasn't happiness, it wasn't joy, it wasn't feeling worthy or upset or you know any of these. It was new feeling that I realized. Now I can name it. It was my energy. Yeah, now I was, it was me, and then that feelings of feeling happy and what and everything come after.

Speaker 2: 10:51

But the different is a split, not even that, it's a split. Second. The new realize is coming from within you. Usually, we women hold the energy down in our reproductive organs. Yeah, it's where the woman energy is going. The more masculine energy. This is different because we all have it in different places. Yeah, like, for example, mine is in my chest and my throat chakra, okay, so going from the heart to throat and I can feel like my, my shoulders and it's really like kind of going.

Speaker 2: 11:21

So you know that when I walk to the room, like you know, I'm in a family. My goal and my warrior energy. So, these energies, you have a three energies. Okay, so you have your own energy and then you have the goddess and the warrior and he's you choosing which energy you want it to be in is your choice. No matter what you've been taught is your choice. So if I ask you, let's demonstrate, because I will say that to your listeners. Don't believe me. Experience you don't. Everybody can close their eyes. Just please don't do it when you're driving or operating machine I need to be aware of that.

Speaker 2: 12:01

And when you close your eyes, take a couple of deep breath in and out and, with your inner eyes, just scan your body inside, from your head, your neck, shoulders, down to elbows, all the way down to the end of the tip of your fingers, and then you're back your front, all of the organs inside your hips, thighs, knees, all the way down to your big toes. And now, when you scan your body, ask yourself where is my goddess energy or warrior energy, whatever you wanted to find? Go and find her and also go and find your warrior energy and you will find the place where they sit. This can be shown to you, you can have it as a feeling, you can see it as an object, you can hear it, you can taste it, you know, and now you know where they sit, so you can go to one and then to the other, and then you see if it's like dark colors or lighter colors or what is the feeling. Can you read? Sometimes just a split second, because you're not connected to those energies.

Speaker 2: 13:35

That's what I do, like the way I work with the clients. We go and find the energies or the pains or the traumas or whatever is holding them back because so many people do great things and they don't have generally calling it like the success. But it doesn't mean like being like famous or anything or being millionaires or whatever it is. It's just having the really joy and fun in the lab, you know, and love and living them. There's not many people that living their true, authentic selves. This is very strong and powerful year. We have a solar summer solstice next Wednesday, then we have a new moon and it's so strong energetically that so many clients come and they're like I don't know why the hell I'm feeling like this, I'm doing this and I'm meditating and I'm journaling and I'm doing all the shit and it's still feeling not right. Are those things resonating with you? Do you want to do that? Ask yourself, what do I want to do? We never ask what do I want to do. We always ask well, but Susie said to me this will work for me because it works for her. Or Roger said to me these, do these, and that, okay, does it bloody, resonate with you, yes or no? I don't know. No, yes or no, no Resonate. Go with the flow, you see, and that's how you start to be connected to your energy and then it can be connection to your goddess and warrior energy and you can use them whenever and however you want it to be. As a woman, do you want it to be the sexy and kind of confident woman? You tap into your goddess energy and all you have to do just walk to the bar or walk to the cafe or walk whatever, and you might have a free coffee and you might have a free drinks.

Speaker 2: 15:16

I mean, I did it just on holiday, like even like now, literally like now, like before we started recorded. I had a gentleman coming to fix my window screen because there was two chips, like on the windows, okay, and I paid just for one. I don't know I have to pay for the other one, but I walked with my goddess energy and he said don't worry, darling, I'll do it for you. No, I don't. It was, you know, and I'm not saying like because you have your energy, you are attracting your magnetic, the abundance, okay. So he did that when we were on holiday last week in a creed. I just walked in the market and I was buying, you know, vegetables and herbs and olive oils and all of that, every single stall. I stopped and brought something I receive extra for free. Yeah, you know, because I was in my my goddess energy, so I was attracting.

Speaker 2: 16:05

But when I need to do things, I go to my warrior energy, okay, so what do I need to do in order to achieve? Or when I'm creating offers, you know, I go to my. When I'm downloading, I go to my masculine and that's where I get the work done. But when I'm channeling and when I'm kind of into the zone with the clients, I'm always with my goddess energy, because that's much more gentle energy and now I can sometimes I put them in a balance and then I'm in my own energy. Yeah, it's very simple Just scanning your body and you find where are your energies, how do they look like, how do they feel like? Yeah, you know, with your feelings and trust that feelings. It might be crazy for some and don't you know, craziness is one of the part of the being spiritual. You know you're not crazy. You start listening to yourself and that's what we haven't been doing, because we were. You have to do X, y and Z.

Speaker 1: 16:59

Yeah, and so that all makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 1: 17:04

And I think you know I've over time been mastering tapping into different energies but, as I said, I still do default often into the more warrior energy, masculine energy, just because, naturally as well, I do think that's part of my fiery character, so there's nothing wrong with that.

Speaker 1: 17:21

But if you find it for people listening, if you find yourself, you know, like doubting, because obviously if you're not used to being in your feminine energy, it can feel a bit different, a bit awkward, a bit uncomfortable, because anything new that you're tapping into can or like I know it's not new and it's always there, but new in the sense of you utilizing it. How do you learn to kind of? Because I almost feel like, like you said, you went from being very masculine to very feminine I almost feel like you need that swing, swing to the other side almost when you've been to in one energy for so long in such a strong way, just in order to fully experience what that other energy is like. So how do you learn to like, get that more of that balance? Because it's all, yes, you can call on it, but I think if you're not practicing calling on it, that takes time to build. So how do you? How do you not automatically revert back to that kind of like old energy conditioning that you have within yourself?

Speaker 2: 18:22

The simplistic way is practice, make perfect. There's the simplest way, like practice, make perfect. And this is with everything. So if you are more in your masculine or the warrior energy and you want to start to learn the feminine, first of all you have to go out of your comfort zone. Let's make that clear. Okay, it's not going to happen when you're going to tip it toe a little bit oh well, I just wanted to feel how it feels and then two weeks later you're going to again tip it toe. You have to be like basically, think about it. You don't know how to swim and I will throw you at to the sea. Okay, learn the swim. It's salty water, it's all the danger is all the sharks and everything and the storm coming and I will throw you over the board. You have to learn to swim. Okay, the best way you can do is stop doing what you're doing and just do the crazy shit. Okay, god is energy, the women, the feminine energy is the energy. That how you feel like, let's say, when I'm like I know you, obviously people can't see me, but I'm now wearing my feathers, earrings, I'm wearing my you know these blue top, or whatever you want to call it. You know, because it's kind of like, long and over, I will wearing just a set of colors like black, white or kind of neutral color. I went crazy with colors. Okay, I went to primary because you used to go in the UK, which is the cheapy shop, I would say. Or you go to any other platforms and I order any crazy stuff that I liked it and I will never wear it like before. I'm like no, and I will start doing these crazy stuff. I will go and get my nails done, I'll go to get my facial done, my hair done and I will really cool and I will set no to anything that doesn't resonate.

Speaker 2: 20:05

Soon as the thought of like well, I have to do it, like the have to thing, starts, I would say no to it, even if it was beneficial. I learned to say no, so I step into my power and I was doing what was just only resonated with me. It wasn't easy. I was, as I said. I'm doing bold steps, so I'm like the crazy one for do this. It was the best decision of my life. I stay in this energy for, I think, about two or three months. Then I was like well, okay, enough of this. I need to find the balance between them two, because neither of them were serving me on the highest level. Okay, I was too much in and too much in one end and the other.

Speaker 2: 20:47

And then you have to, as you said, you have to experience to do the crazy stuff. Did you always want to have like a rainbow hair? Go and have it done. Do you always want to go and buy that crazy print dress? Go and buy it and wear it. It's going to feel uncomfortable. Yes, you will feel like, oh my God, everybody's looking at me. Yes, everybody will looking at you. You have to put your head up, put the big sunglasses, because now obviously it's a sound, so you can hide a little bit and just walk with the confidence. It's not easy, but it's the best reward that you can have.

Speaker 2: 21:24

Do bold step, go on the holiday that you always wanted to do. Okay, go and get. Do whatever really excites you but scares you at the same time. You need to get out of the comfort zone. That's not there is no any other way how you can really go and experience the God's energy within. Because after experiencing for period of the time or to me it took three months, to you it might be like three weeks.

Speaker 2: 21:51

I don't know, we are all different, but when you wanted to come back out of it, why Ask yourself why? And my why was okay, it's great and I love the crazy stuff, but it's not serving me either. So I wanted to find the balance. Some of my clients find when they step into the masculine, because they're being too much feminine, they like it more. So they will stay there for a little longer, you know, but they will calm down and try to navigate. It's like you're on the road, you go, you know, and there is a curves, like you know, because none of the roads are like straight. You know there is a curse, but as long as you stay on the road and you don't go out of that road, you're good. But you have to go big time out of the comfort zone.

Speaker 1: 22:36

Yeah, I think that's really important and I think we always you hear people say that stepping outside your comfort zone, but I think sometimes people don't realize that actually, sometimes even the smallest actions can feel like that if you're not used to it. Like you say, just putting on a different piece of clothing, that's something you really love but you would never have worn before, just because you didn't want to stand out. That doesn't sound like a big act of craziness, but when you're actually experiencing it it really is. And this is, for example, even myself recently. I absolutely for the last I don't know what it is I've always been really good with my dressing, like I like getting dressed up, I like putting clothes together, I like wearing nice things, I like making myself feel good. All of that comes very naturally to me.

Speaker 1: 23:19

But I absolutely just have this weird thing about me wearing shorts. I don't like myself in shorts and a lot of it I don't know where it stems from, but a lot of it makes me feel really self-conscious. But recently I've been like I want to be able to wear. You know, I wear skirts happily, I wear dresses happily, but shorts just haven't been my thing. But sometimes, practically, you want to wear those things and just you know, whatever and with the heat. And so I've made it my mission to, and I did it today I put shorts on because I wear them on holiday and I'll wear them in the house, but, like in the UK, generally speaking, you will never see me in a pair of shorts outside, because I just don't feel comfortable in them, even though I want to. And I was thinking about it the other day and I thought you know what? I need to just get over this fear, because actually there's no reason why I shouldn't be wearing shorts, there's no reason why I should feel uncomfortable, there's no. I've just created this story in my head. And so, even like today, I went out in shorts and I was thinking, oh my gosh, everybody's staring at me In my head, this is what goes through. But then, by the end of the walk and when I was coming back, I was like that really wasn't as bad as I made it. That really wasn't as bad.

Speaker 1: 24:33

And I think sometimes we also, when we're trying to tap into these new comfort zones, our brain, our ego, will definitely try to trick us into not doing them, and so we make it a bigger thing than it actually is. And then, once we do it, we're like, oh okay, yes, I did feel a few of those feelings, but actually I'm okay, that wasn't that bad, I can do it again. And I know that sounds to some people they might be listening to this thinking that's ridiculous. Why do you think that? But we all have those weird ridiculous things that we're uncomfortable about, and that was one of mine and I was like, right, I'm going into my 30s, I'm very confident in so many ways. I don't want there to be any other things that I feel I can't do just because I've put this story in my head.

Speaker 1: 25:14

So that was kind of like my personal experience with that and, again, as I said, like learning how to kind of really embrace, also being and I would love to hear your thoughts on this as well, because I'm not really touched on this at all in the podcast yet, but I'm not very good at dealing with attention from other people in public People admire you and things like that.

Speaker 1: 25:37

Now, don't get me wrong, I do appreciate the fact, like, of course, as human beings, it's nice that people admire you. It's nice like on a basic level, it's nice to know that you admire. However, I have never learned to be able to receive that very well from men and from women and again, people from the outside, because I've always been very confident and I would never not do something. People might think, oh, she's fine with that because she wears the fitted dresses or this, that and the other, but actually the people who know me the closest. I'm not good at receiving that and I really wanna step more with that goddess energy like into that sexiness, into that receiving of being okay with that. And I just wondered, like how I don't know if you've experienced this, but like how do you embrace as a, particularly as a woman I know like most of my listeners will be women Like how do you start embracing your sexiness? Because I think that's something that we very much struggle with.

Speaker 2: 26:36

Oh yeah yeah, yeah, oh. You're asking me like if you experienced it, I was so self-doubting myself my confidence were below Antarctica icebergs I mean really below. Now people say, well, you are confident. No, I'm working on my confidence on daily basis, but now I know how and what to do. So the first one I would say to you but I have a question, I go a little bit of back. When you were wearing your clothes, yeah, yeah of course.

Speaker 2: 27:07

So when you were putting those shorts on this morning and you know you're gaining out and obviously your head is going, you know the CD, the vicious circle of blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, how does your body felt? I'll share it. How did you like, how did you feel in?

Speaker 1: 27:23

your body Like genuinely had a knot in my stomach, which is ridiculous because it was more about. And the thing is, as I said, it's because basically I tend to wear longer things, so I wear like a midi skirt or a midi dress or a maxi dress. I'm not like, because I'm quite shapely, short. Things don't work for me, so I've never, I'm not used to it. And when I say, sure, they're not like really short, short, they're just above my knee and for me that's like.

Speaker 1: 27:52

And so I could feel it in my stomach and I could feel it like. I could feel my palms getting sweaty, thinking I'm gonna go out like this. But I knew that, as I said, because I've done enough work to know that uncomfortable feelings don't mean that that's like I can make myself still feel safe, if that makes sense. I just was like I'm just gonna do it. And again, I know how ridiculous that might sound to some people but, as I said, if you've been having this thought for the last 20 years that you don't like feel comfortable in shorts, that's 20 years of thoughts and conditioning to undo. And so, yeah, it genuinely did make my body like tense up, like my butt cheeks were like tensed under my shorts.

Speaker 2: 28:34

But when I will ask you about where you scared like the shit out of. Like shit, I'm going out with this, but also like excited about this, I am getting out of my comfort zone.

Speaker 1: 28:47

Yeah, I think for the first, like when I first started walking down the road, not at all, but then I was like I know I need to do this because I know how. Yeah, I know the other side, like I want to be able to wear all the things and feel freedom and feel good. So the only way to overcome that is to just chuck it. As you say, chuck yourself in the deep end. And to me that was a deep end because I only ever wear shorts on holiday because I'm like I'm never gonna see these people again.

Speaker 2: 29:14

Yeah, that's how I when we have these sorts of feelings that we oh my God going out of the comfort zone is the mind is stopping us. So, basically, that's your ego's feeling, you okay, that's the masculine, that's the thinking, that's the thing that you just have to go and do, do, do, do, do. You know, like I have to do these and these. I can't do these because that's all my God. You know, but that was your feminine energy wanted to come out, your goddess wanted to come out, so she pushed you. Okay, yeah, this is how you do it. Now I will stretch you, going by even short to short. I'm not asking oh my gosh, I saw these on the shine. I mean like it looks like a thong. I was like that's too much. Okay, going by a little short to short and just to wear them. Okay, even if you go to do your corner shop to buy milk or whatever, just to start wearing them. Okay, until they feel comfortable for you to wear, and then you're gonna have to do another crazy stuff. Okay, yeah, so that's how you can start embracing the goddess within you.

Speaker 2: 30:20

But the question is, are you open to receive? Because so many women and the men, so I cannot knock them down because they also, when being taught you have to do this, they're not open to receive. So we are, like, told that we have to do these or that or these. You know, but as a woman, are you open to receive? Or you always give Like, what? If I ask what? If you go to coffee shop and there's somebody will say, no, don't worry, I'll get it for you. Are you the person like oh yeah, thank you. Or don't worry about it, you know I can get it. Which person are?

Speaker 1: 30:54

you Like yeah Well. So the thing is that's interesting. Historically I was definitely like I was. I overgive in many ways, but because I was conscious doing this work over the last few years, I've learned that in order to receive, like you mentioned, I have to accept things. So a good example of that for me was because I'm a strong, independent woman and I still stick by that I was very much like I would carry my own bags. And if somebody offered to help put a bag up the top, like I, was like no, because I can do it, cause I'm like a strong woman, you know, on the train or whatever, and that's great, like I know I can do that now.

Speaker 1: 31:28

But I realized, hold on a minute. Those are opportunities for me to receive help and I'm not good at receiving help. And so I started. I went on a mission of being like when, like you say, when somebody offers to give you a coffee or someone offers to help you do something, even if I know I can do it now, I will actually turn around and be like oh yeah, actually I really would like that help and it does allow you, like you've mentioned, it does open a floodgate of abundance, but there are still certain things. So I've worked on that aspect, which is amazing, and that stuff has definitely improved. But there's still aspects where, as I said, I'm not good at receiving, like when it comes to attention and kind of compliments, like I'm not good at receiving those. That's still a part of me that I'm working on, whereas other things I have got a lot better at because I have been trying to tap more into this goddess energy.

Speaker 2: 32:23

The thing is with these. There are five categories that narrow it down where we feel disconnected and connected. And it's a very good way to find how and when you feel like connected and disconnected. Oh okay.

Speaker 2: 32:36

When you're disconnected, you are more in the masculine because you're in the do, do, do, do energy. So when you are connected, you are more into the feminine. But having said that, when you are connecting, you can choose in which energy you want it to be or which energy you need for that particular task. Okay, like when you go on holiday, you know you need to be more in the warrior energy, the do energy, because you need to pack, you need to organize yourself to be at the airport, you need to get organizing in the airport. Where are you going? What are you going? Until you pass the security and you know, okay, I'm going, gate 16. So now I can have a drink, deep breath in let's go, goddess, let's enjoy the holiday, because we started.

Speaker 2: 33:16

You know, yeah, choose to be in that warrior energy, the do energy, that you're going to do stuff. Therefore, you're going to embrace it. But you know, then you can easily like this switch to the goddess energy. So therefore, you can then go and enjoy and be. You know the ease and flow and everything. So these five categories and now we're done, because people feel like, oh, my God, I'm disconnected everywhere. That's not how to go.

Speaker 2: 33:43

It's a love and relationship, business or work, joy and fun, health and you, and I'm going to explain them a little bit. So, love and relationship, this means are you feeling loved? Are you giving yourself love? You know how about your relationships, but the relationships meaning not just the partner and the kids and the parents and brothers and sisters and cousins and aunties and closest friends, but it's going further. That's like a ripple effect.

Speaker 2: 34:11

Okay, how about your work, colleague, if you have a business, you know how about your people you're working with? You know you have a VA, you have people you collaborate and all of those like is there the love connection? Do you feel it inside you? You know and please be aware I'm being avocado because everybody, when they talk about love and relationship, oh, you have to feel it in your heart. That is not true. You can feel love anywhere in your body. We are just being taught again oh, love is coming from a heart. No, love is feeling, is going through your body Like you're feeling a fear, like you're feeling, you know, scared. It's all feelings and on different parts in your body. They're all in different parts of your body and this is what I'm teaching, obviously, and learning and you know, creating programs and all of that for the clients that they can understand. And soon as I explain this, like love is not only in your heart, they all go like what the fuck just happened? And they had like a ha moment. Oh, so I'm feeling this because I have like two daughters and I have a lovely husband and if you're going to ask me where I feel the love from them different parts of my body and the same with me, like different parts of love for myself, okay, so you have to be aware of that.

Speaker 2: 35:28

Then, when we go to the business and the work because some people have a businesses you know, entrepreneurs or any other businesses, or you are working. There is nothing wrong to be working. Like now is a big like boom, oh, did you 95 jobs? I don't know, some people love their 95 jobs. They don't want it to have a business, they don't want it to be entrepreneurs and you know, go and quickly do things, they love their jobs. But my question for those people are you in alignment? How do you feel with that? Are you doing what you really love to do? You see, and my favorite category on all of them is joy and fun we get to have a joy and fun. Because we have to do this and I have to work on myself and I have to journal every day and I have to do the routine and I have to, it's everything is like the pushy energy and it's just like stop.

Speaker 1: 36:17

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 36:18

Do you do? You want a journal for journal? Do you don't want to do the journal? You want to just have these, all these, do it. You don't like journaling? Don't do it then. But we are so taught that we have we forget to have a fun, just switch off the mind and just be kids again. I mean, as I mentioned, just got back from holiday and we put the phone down. We were very barely on the phone and we're taking pictures and we have the best time. We were jumping to the pool. We didn't scroll the social media, we did it like a little bit, but we were having a fun and we went to the beach and pick up stones and these and that we were having a fun.

Speaker 2: 36:55

Okay, and I'm 40 and I was like, yes, I have a fun because I'm creating, because I want to have a fun, I wanted to have the joy and fun. And then when I go to health, it's not about like, oh, I need to lose a wage, or you know, oh, you know, my hair or my nails need to go naturally, because there's like two categories Either you have to lose a wage because it's a big boom, like everybody needs to be healthy and vegan and vegetarians and eat meat. There's so much like there's either or there's no. There's also no balance between them too, you know. But what does it health mean to you? Like you know people? Oh, I go to gym, like three times a week, or five times a week. Do you want to go? No, I hate the gym. So why do you doing that? Well, because everybody's doing it. But do you Like you have to start doing you? What does that being healthy means to you? Well, I like to have my cakes. Okay, so I have them. But don't have like three cakes, have a one piece of cake. You know what I mean, do you like? And then is the last category like you, what the fuck you really want? Oh, I won't have to. You know the new range of, and I'm gonna have a holiday and travel first class and do the okay, do you really want that?

Speaker 2: 38:04

I have recently have a client and she was like having all these glamorous ideas. By the end of the session you realize she just want to have a nice house in the middle of nowhere and that was it, so she can just switch off. I was like, so from blingy, kind of like living in a central London, you know Mayfair sorts of style, you know very glamorous to countryside, like in the Yorkshire. Or you know where I am, like Sherwood Forest. You know not to get in the middle of nowhere going from bed. Today, let me be a big jam. But she said well, I thought I wanted this is what we have.

Speaker 2: 38:42

We didn't even know those thoughts and those wants we have, and not ours by somebody else's, but because they were repeated ourselves, we picked them as ours. Because they look good, yeah, but do you want them? They might look good, but do you want them? I mean, when I was young, leonardo DiCaprio was absolutely handsome man. You know, he was nice, I liked to look at him, he was lovely. But do I want them men? No, I didn't. There was no energetic, I didn't. That was not the connection. There was no feelings. I mean, yeah, he was hot and you know I was 16, 17, you know, because there was no connection. And then again connect to yourself and find what the fuck you really want. You know most, five categories are crucial.

Speaker 1: 39:31

Yeah, and so, from what you've shared, that would probably be a good exercise for people to sit down with and just think about and do it again. Even just the way you do it, it's going to be individual. Some people might want to get a pen and paper and write it all down, some people might want to speak it out loud with somebody that they trust, somebody might just want to think about it and see what pops up. But I definitely think it's worth considering. And this podcast we always advocate or I strongly, that's like my main message, which is why it's called empower thyself, is finding things that work for you. And I think, particularly when we step into those things because it's not the scene like sometimes we can, like you say, love things that maybe aren't cool at the moment because it's not what's on social media, but that doesn't mean that it can't be your thing. And I think often we rub ourselves of those joyous moments, those fun moments as adults because, like you say, we're always in the we should do this, we should do that and the expectations. But also as humans, I understand from a psychological point of view we try and create boxes to understand other people. We do do it from that point of view. But the problem is we create these boxes and if we go outside of that box all of a sudden it's a problem, and we do it to ourselves as well.

Speaker 1: 40:47

So, like you say, I loved eating. So when I got sick a few years ago, when I came out, I decided for a few months to do a vegan diet because that's what my body felt cool to do. And from that experience, it was fantastic because it definitely made me fall in love more with all the different vegetables and this and the other. But to this day, like, I went back to eating meat I still do it now. But if you were, I would happily eat a lot of vegetables and I do eat a lot of vegan meals, not even thinking, oh, this is vegan, I just eat what my body wants. But I realized very quickly and this is the time that I witnessed it was as soon as you said you're a vegan. If you had one little thing that was like outside of being vegan, it was like people would jump on you like, well, you can't be a true vegan if you do this, you can't. And I realized, oh, my goodness, nobody.

Speaker 1: 41:37

Once we put a label on something, it's very hard to remove that label because other people like to stick to that, exactly what it says on that label. So for me, the biggest and most freeing thing that I've ever done is to not label myself anything, and if other people don't get that, that's not for me to explain to them or for me to show them. That's a as I would say to people, that's a you problem to figure out, because actually not having those labels has meant that I actually do the things that make me feel the best, and so from all of that, that's really like powerful from what you said. So how then do we, I guess, from what we've covered, what would be the big tips or the big kind of insights you'd wanna share on people finding things that bring them joy, that they love doing?

Speaker 1: 42:31

Are there ways that you tap into that to help people establish it? Because I think when you're on a, when you're kind of an autopilot with life, you forget what you like, you forget what brings you joy, don't you? You forget all of these things. So how do we go back about rediscovering all of that?

Speaker 2: 42:48

And you just actually answered that question. But I'm gonna to say, because you might not be realising, what you said is like I go to logic and there is all these boxes. That means structure. Okay, because we were brought up to have a structure. Yeah, so when you do things, this is the way you have to do them. Okay, you do a little bit of tweak and twist, but you go, this is how I have to do it.

Speaker 2: 43:11

There are certain things don't get me wrong. There's obviously like driving a car or certain things that you have to do. Only that way you know. But then again, how you drive the car is completely up to you. You need to learn to drive the car you know. So, either like manual or automatic, and you need to know the rules on the road. But how fast you go, if you're going in the right lane, that is all up to you to choosing.

Speaker 2: 43:36

So when you are connecting to your true, authentic selves, so that means you let them go and you just go with the flow, and this is a scare. It's like you going out of the comfort zone with your shorts. Okay, you were connecting and you said this is the day I'm going to do it and that is it. But if I will have a session with you, we will find and backtrack why it was leading to this, because there is always a reason for it. Because you can't talk. It could be a little comment that happened in your life, okay.

Speaker 2: 44:10

So we, many people naturally wanted to see logic explain it to me. It's like explain it to me. How do you know a universe is real or God is real? There is no explanation better than you have to trust. And if you trust yourself, you trust your feeling. And we have not been taught this to trust ourselves, because we grow up. We trust our parents, then our peers in the nursery, in the school, then you go to work and then you go to business, then you look up to somebody who's already done it where you want it to go. We do not trust ourselves. Okay, and that is the big thing, whereas everything lies because we're not trusting and not believing that we are capable of doing things. We are not capable of doing things, but the best explanation that you can go when you were a little child which we can't remember, but our parents can and we can now because we're all grownups when you see a child learning to walk. The child will stood up and go, fell down and stood up and go building the trust and believe it. One day that child will walk. Okay, and it happened, it will walk. It's the same when you were learning how to ride a bike. First you have a stabilizer and then you feel the knot in your stomach, like in your instance. Okay, as you said that, yeah, it's got, and I fell down because you know I don't have the stabilizers. Until you build the trust and believe in yourself that shit, I can do it, I'm going to learn it. It was the drive, it was your energy who was driving you to the trust and believe.

Speaker 2: 45:50

When you start this podcast, there were so many other podcasts holding, but you're still going because you know, you trust and believe your message. That you trust and believe that the message you are sharing is so important, even if it helps just to one person, you know you've done your job. It's the same thing. You have to learn to trust yourself. You know and let it go.

Speaker 2: 46:12

Sometimes you will be tested like do the crazy stuff? Like beginning of this year I did. I created a six weeks program and then I received a message saying it needs to be retreat and I'm like are you kidding me? Right, like spirits, you're kidding me. Retreat, really. And they said, no, you have to do retreat, and I went with the flow. It was the best weekend ever. The women who attend had massive transformation and I went with the flow. It was crazy. It was a big, huge step for me to get out of my comfort zone, but I went and I would do it over and over again Because, after that feeling, what comes after it's priceless and I cannot explain or put it in the words because you have to experience it.

Speaker 2: 46:57

It was the same feeling that you come home today after your walk in the morning that you know. You feeling that, yes, I can now wear a shorts and you will start happily wearing shorts because you trust and believe in yourself Nobody else, yourself and that is the thing you start to have to go out of your comfort zone. So my tip for you will be enter your listeners, start doing those bold steps outside, choose, have a look in those five categories and, as we did like prior to, with the Goddess and the warrior energy, close your eyes, couple of deeper breath in and go. Where do I feel left with so and so, or you know, where do I feel with my business or with my workplace? Do I really want to say that, yeah, I actually like it? Okay, so I don't feel right. So what do I need? What do I need to do? Just with your closed eyes, really going to within you? Find the answers within you, because there are the answers and, as a healer, I always say we can heal people. I don't have a magic wand da-pe-ti-da-pe-ti and magically it's gone. I am guiding you because you are the healer, you healing yourself. I just have a tools and techniques that can help you to discover why certain things happen in your life. What do you need to do in order to feel better? And it was the same as you said. We put labels.

Speaker 2: 48:19

I am no vegan. I went vegan for one month because I had a fibromyalgia and I couldn't sleep. I was horrible, horrible pain of my joints After 30 days like this, gone. I listened to my body and I do the same as you. I do lots of vegan food at home and intention oh, this is vegan, you know, and it's healthier. I'm doing it because we, as a family, like it. I'm doing it because I feel drawn to it to cook it, to do it, you know, and because I tap into what I want.

Speaker 2: 48:57

It was the same with you.

Speaker 2: 48:58

You failed to do the vegan, but you tap into your energy. And then you were in your feminine because you were nourishing your feminine, which was what I can feel was quite hard, and then you were in your masculine, or the warrior, because you were doing it, and so you have them beautifully balanced because they can bring me back, like when you have, like you know, the health issues, and they're showing me how beautifully you were balanced there because you were nourishing both of those energies. So therefore, you were nourishing yourself and you were nourishing your body, mind and spirit. You know we are confused because everything is labeled, because we have to do things and you should do things and do, do, do, do, no more, no more.

Speaker 2: 49:44

So the best advice would be tap into yourself. What do you really want? And if the answer is, I don't know, you need to go deeper, and there is always where there is meditation. People can get in touch. I can tell them, you know, because everybody are different, but you have to go and really find what you want. That's the first connection you have to make in order to start connecting with other aspects of your life and other people, and so on.

Speaker 1: 50:11

Yeah, absolutely. And I think from this conversation to summarize for people who, when they started listening and thinking, how do I what creates disconnection? How do I know if I'm feeling disconnected? I think the key overall theme and insights that have we've shared is that disconnection comes from doing everything in a way that isn't the way you want to do it or isn't the way you're ignoring the feelings that you want to.

Speaker 1: 50:41

You will over or sorry, you will override your feelings in order to do something because you have to, should do X, Y, Z, and over time, all of these shoulds coulds like musts, and then all of that is what slowly builds up a lot bigger and bigger feeling of disconnect.

Speaker 1: 51:00

So it's just unwinding all of that to then start connecting in with yourself and being like okay, but how do I actually feel about this, how do I actually want to do this, how do I actually and it sounds simple, as when you say it like that, but, as we've discussed, it's gonna be an uncomfortable experience, simple but uncomfortable. But once you get to that feeling of connection, that's when, like you've said, you can really step into your power you start. I think that's where you start feeling that level of peace and joy in life and freedom that maybe people are so much craving, and that's definitely something I've worked on and I'm working towards and I've really experienced that in the last few years. But life's a journey, right. There's always gonna be times where you're gonna be tested or you have to experience those things. So, given all of the bits that we've spoken about, is there anything else that you would like to add before we kind of close up this episode and I go into my final question?

Speaker 2: 52:00

You just said it really well, hannah, absolutely agree with everything you said. There is one thing I will change Don't ask yourself how. Ask what would I like to feel like? Yeah, what do I feel right now? What do I want to feel? Because how it is a killer. How am I gonna do it? How, how, how, how, how.

Speaker 1: 52:22

And you get too caught up in that yeah and then you're like shit, it's too much.

Speaker 2: 52:25

It's too much. What do I feel right now? Okay, I feel shit. Okay, what do I want to feel? I wanna feel happy. What does the happiness mean? This is an example. I want to feel love. I want to feel worthy, but you need to be able to tell me. Let's say, tell me, what does it mean to you? And if you don't know or you are not sure, that is the discovery journey you have to take, and it's from my own experience. Don't do it alone. I highly recommend going to hire someone, go and talk to someone, because doing it alone sucks. I did it for over 20 years. Okay, on my own. So many things. Now I don't. Now I have a friend. They are healers. I go them, I get it rid of, I heal, because healing is a never ending journey. It doesn't mean that you got to healer and you are healed. No, it's never ending journey. It's like peeling of layers of what you've been taught for all your life.

Speaker 1: 53:22

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 53:23

And then so it's kind of like peeling a layers. But don't ask the how, ask what, or what do I feel today? What do I feel now? What do I want to feel?

Speaker 1: 53:34

Yeah, yeah Now, I think that's a really powerful way to end and also as well, just to add, like healing, I've learned, doesn't have to be always, because I think we associate because of just the space that we're in in the world, healing often is associated with pain and discomfort and not being nice and, yes, there are absolutely times where it can be heavy and hard.

Speaker 1: 53:58

But also we can heal using joy and fun and play as well, and I think sometimes we forget that, particularly as adults, and that's something that, again, I'm tapping more into. There are times when you need to do the heavy stuff and things need to work through that, but there's also times where you can choose. Do you know what? I can have a bit of a more fun with this. It doesn't always have to feel so heavy, it can be more fun. So the final question that I ask all my guests not related to the episode, just something that I love to tap into, to give people inspiration and just insights what is exciting you right now, whether that be a material thing, something you're creating, a product, something you're doing, something you're working on, like what is exciting you in this moment?

Speaker 2: 54:39

Oh, my God, I just oh, you cannot ask the question. I just created a program for my clients so how we can work together either four weeks or five months. And I'm going back to these categories, that you can choose one category and four weeks. We go one to one. We heal that wherever the blockages, the traumas, the limiting beliefs, the doubt you have, the feeling of unworthiness, unhappiness, unloved, whatever the feelings are, we go deep and clear.

Speaker 2: 55:09

Or you go boldly and you go to all five categories for the five months and I just let it out to the world and I spoke to my friend two days ago we're going to create a women healing circle from September. So we are just creating that and I cannot wait. It's going to be absolutely epic to come and just be with other like-minded women and it's going to be also for couple and for men and it's going to be the space without screening and everything, and you're going to be in a switch of the mobile and for 24 hours you're just going to be you and you're going to discover you with other women and it's just going to be absolutely epic and I'm cannot wait for this.

Speaker 1: 55:51

I'm so awesome, Amazing, I love it. And that leads me nicely into kind of. The end really is if people want to work with you, tap into your energy, all of those good things, where's the best place to do that? How can they find you On?

Speaker 2: 56:04

Instagram. I'm a lot on my Instagram, which is MichaelaSpiritualHealer, and it's all you know what it is.

Speaker 1: 56:14

I'm on Instagram. I'm a lot on Instagram.

Speaker 2: 56:16

You can email me on Michaela at MichaelaHorokaivercom, which is kind of-.

Speaker 1: 56:21

Amazing. I'll make sure that's all in the show notes for people so that they can come and find you and connect. Thank you very much for joining me today. I've really enjoyed our conversation.

Speaker 2: 56:29

Thank you for having me.